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		<title>By: Richard Wilner</title>
		<link>http://steveblank.com/2010/02/16/death-by-revenue-plan/#comment-3055</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Wilner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 02:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m sure this is answered elsewhere on this blog, but...
how do you determine what type of market (new or existing) your product is positioned for?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure this is answered elsewhere on this blog, but&#8230;<br />
how do you determine what type of market (new or existing) your product is positioned for?</p>
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		<title>By: Creating new markets isn&#39;t so easy &#124; SocialStartups.com</title>
		<link>http://steveblank.com/2010/02/16/death-by-revenue-plan/#comment-2999</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Creating new markets isn&#39;t so easy &#124; SocialStartups.com]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 15:17:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Steve Blank so eloquently says, when you are creating a new market, you have no idea how long the flat part of the hockey stick really is. That&#039;s because you are creating a new product that people don&#039;t even know they want, [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Steve Blank so eloquently says, when you are creating a new market, you have no idea how long the flat part of the hockey stick really is. That&#39;s because you are creating a new product that people don&#39;t even know they want, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Seitz</title>
		<link>http://steveblank.com/2010/02/16/death-by-revenue-plan/#comment-2943</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill Seitz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 18:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So, what happened with the new SilverBullet CEO? Did he bring everyone around to reality, dump the salesforce until they could get a repeatable sales process, etc.? Follow the board&#039;s &quot;pick another direction to shoot blindly in&quot; approach, or something else?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, what happened with the new SilverBullet CEO? Did he bring everyone around to reality, dump the salesforce until they could get a repeatable sales process, etc.? Follow the board&#8217;s &#8220;pick another direction to shoot blindly in&#8221; approach, or something else?</p>
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		<title>By: Free Marketing Advice from the Pros- Financial Eyes &#38; Ears</title>
		<link>http://steveblank.com/2010/02/16/death-by-revenue-plan/#comment-2901</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Free Marketing Advice from the Pros- Financial Eyes &#38; Ears]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 21:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Breaking into a new market or an existing one? The answer matters more than you may think, says serial entrepreneur Steve Blank. If the answer is &#8220;new market,&#8221; put aside your fears of scaring away potential VCs, because if you&#8217;re not honest about it, the revenue plan you create may kill you. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Breaking into a new market or an existing one? The answer matters more than you may think, says serial entrepreneur Steve Blank. If the answer is &#8220;new market,&#8221; put aside your fears of scaring away potential VCs, because if you&#8217;re not honest about it, the revenue plan you create may kill you. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: DK</title>
		<link>http://steveblank.com/2010/02/16/death-by-revenue-plan/#comment-2884</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DK]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 04:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would add Option 4 - figure out how to make and sell your product without requiring equity capital. Scale, profit and if you really need it in the future bring in capital on your terms. No one says it will be easy but you will have a much greater control over your destiny, subject to force majeure.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would add Option 4 &#8211; figure out how to make and sell your product without requiring equity capital. Scale, profit and if you really need it in the future bring in capital on your terms. No one says it will be easy but you will have a much greater control over your destiny, subject to force majeure.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan Furr</title>
		<link>http://steveblank.com/2010/02/16/death-by-revenue-plan/#comment-2880</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nathan Furr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 23:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Perfect description of a #1 cause of death--as soon as the business plan is written it suddenly becomes fact. I think one major flaw in the way we teach entrepreneurship is that most basic entrepreneurship classes are, at their heart, business plan classes. But once the BP gets written, then students become really dangerous because they begin to act on &quot;the plan.&quot; The same is true for many entrepreneurs. In the course I teach, most students have been through a basic business plan course already and in many ways I feel I have to reducate them: I first validate that BPs can be useful but that they now need to throw away most of what they&#039;ve written down. An interesting study would be to measure entrepreneur confidence before the business plan and after the business plan and show what must be the sudden commitment to the plan. What would be the ultimate follow-up would then be to show how the revenue projections didn&#039;t in fact work out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perfect description of a #1 cause of death&#8211;as soon as the business plan is written it suddenly becomes fact. I think one major flaw in the way we teach entrepreneurship is that most basic entrepreneurship classes are, at their heart, business plan classes. But once the BP gets written, then students become really dangerous because they begin to act on &#8220;the plan.&#8221; The same is true for many entrepreneurs. In the course I teach, most students have been through a basic business plan course already and in many ways I feel I have to reducate them: I first validate that BPs can be useful but that they now need to throw away most of what they&#8217;ve written down. An interesting study would be to measure entrepreneur confidence before the business plan and after the business plan and show what must be the sudden commitment to the plan. What would be the ultimate follow-up would then be to show how the revenue projections didn&#8217;t in fact work out.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan Beckord</title>
		<link>http://steveblank.com/2010/02/16/death-by-revenue-plan/#comment-2878</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nathan Beckord]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 22:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent post.  I&#039;m saving this one in the &#039;startup founders need to read this before pitching VCs&#039; folder.  

I&#039;ve been building financial models for startups for 10 years and still have not found a solution to the Catch-22.   Even when we build a forecast as bottom-up as possible and using as much reasonable-ness as possible, there is still the perverse tendency to ramp up to somewhere near $100m in 5 years.  

I think Joe&#039;s comment hits it on the head-- although most founders know such revenue ramps are pretty much fiction, selling this fiction at least buys the *possibility* of hitting the forecasts, whereas forecasting too low (and not getting funded) means the probability is automatically zero.    

I also agree with you, Steve, that most models are built for an existing market curve, whereas most startups are really selling into a new market.  But again, there is an underlying bias toward getting to cash flow breakeven within 2 or so years; if we truly modeled 4 years of Death Valley followed by a hockey stick ramp, most investors would hit the eject button pretty quick. 

I do think many founders can do a better job of managing expectations early on-- once you&#039;ve got an investor hooked, there is usually a small window prior to closing the round-- the &#039;honeymoon period&#039; so to speak-- to layer on the caveats (aka &quot;are you sure you want to do this deal?  keep in mind that....&quot;).  

The financial model can help in this regard, by putting some ranges around the downside risk-- such as cumulative negative cash flow if sales ramp much slower or if we need to double marketing spend.   

I&#039;m working on an article for my blog seedstagecapital.com that will focus on financial modeling for startups-- namely, how to bring reality to what is mostly an exercise in fantasy; I&#039;ll post a follow up comment when it&#039;s up.  

Thanks again for a great post! ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post.  I&#8217;m saving this one in the &#8216;startup founders need to read this before pitching VCs&#8217; folder.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been building financial models for startups for 10 years and still have not found a solution to the Catch-22.   Even when we build a forecast as bottom-up as possible and using as much reasonable-ness as possible, there is still the perverse tendency to ramp up to somewhere near $100m in 5 years.  </p>
<p>I think Joe&#8217;s comment hits it on the head&#8211; although most founders know such revenue ramps are pretty much fiction, selling this fiction at least buys the *possibility* of hitting the forecasts, whereas forecasting too low (and not getting funded) means the probability is automatically zero.    </p>
<p>I also agree with you, Steve, that most models are built for an existing market curve, whereas most startups are really selling into a new market.  But again, there is an underlying bias toward getting to cash flow breakeven within 2 or so years; if we truly modeled 4 years of Death Valley followed by a hockey stick ramp, most investors would hit the eject button pretty quick. </p>
<p>I do think many founders can do a better job of managing expectations early on&#8211; once you&#8217;ve got an investor hooked, there is usually a small window prior to closing the round&#8211; the &#8216;honeymoon period&#8217; so to speak&#8211; to layer on the caveats (aka &#8220;are you sure you want to do this deal?  keep in mind that&#8230;.&#8221;).  </p>
<p>The financial model can help in this regard, by putting some ranges around the downside risk&#8211; such as cumulative negative cash flow if sales ramp much slower or if we need to double marketing spend.   </p>
<p>I&#8217;m working on an article for my blog seedstagecapital.com that will focus on financial modeling for startups&#8211; namely, how to bring reality to what is mostly an exercise in fantasy; I&#8217;ll post a follow up comment when it&#8217;s up.  </p>
<p>Thanks again for a great post! </p>
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		<title>By: steveblank</title>
		<link>http://steveblank.com/2010/02/16/death-by-revenue-plan/#comment-2877</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 21:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Joe,
Great question.  When you&#039;re desperate for money you&#039;ll take it from anywhere.  The post points out that if you don&#039;t realize what you signed up for you pay for it later.

My advice tends to fall into a flow chart:
- Option 1, find VC&#039;s who share the vision and understand market type. You may find out that your analysis of market type is wrong and investors may have a better insight.
- Option 2, get the money from VC&#039;s that don&#039;t get market type - but ensure that you do. Spend the time educating VC&#039;s (rather than fighting with them.)  Make them part of the solution, not the problem.
- Option 3, as in the example in the post, ignore the conflict between what you know in your heart it will take with what the plan you committed to. Deal with the consequences.

Your interests and the VC&#039;s are aligned (at least to get liquidity) so most will be interested to work with you to get the right plan.

steve]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe,<br />
Great question.  When you&#8217;re desperate for money you&#8217;ll take it from anywhere.  The post points out that if you don&#8217;t realize what you signed up for you pay for it later.</p>
<p>My advice tends to fall into a flow chart:<br />
- Option 1, find VC&#8217;s who share the vision and understand market type. You may find out that your analysis of market type is wrong and investors may have a better insight.<br />
- Option 2, get the money from VC&#8217;s that don&#8217;t get market type &#8211; but ensure that you do. Spend the time educating VC&#8217;s (rather than fighting with them.)  Make them part of the solution, not the problem.<br />
- Option 3, as in the example in the post, ignore the conflict between what you know in your heart it will take with what the plan you committed to. Deal with the consequences.</p>
<p>Your interests and the VC&#8217;s are aligned (at least to get liquidity) so most will be interested to work with you to get the right plan.</p>
<p>steve</p>
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		<title>By: Edwin Oh</title>
		<link>http://steveblank.com/2010/02/16/death-by-revenue-plan/#comment-2876</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Edwin Oh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 20:44:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Steve,

Did you hit one of my hot buttons!  I absolutely hate all the abuse that centers around the whole &quot;tell them it&#039;s a big market&quot; thing.  See my two recent posts:
http://www.thricearoundtheblock.com/2010/02/markets-are-fantasy-customers-are-real.html 
and
http://www.thricearoundtheblock.com/2010/02/madeup-billion-dollar-markets-for-your.html

Thanks for the common sense wisdom.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve,</p>
<p>Did you hit one of my hot buttons!  I absolutely hate all the abuse that centers around the whole &#8220;tell them it&#8217;s a big market&#8221; thing.  See my two recent posts:<br />
<a href="http://www.thricearoundtheblock.com/2010/02/markets-are-fantasy-customers-are-real.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.thricearoundtheblock.com/2010/02/markets-are-fantasy-customers-are-real.html</a><br />
and<br />
<a href="http://www.thricearoundtheblock.com/2010/02/madeup-billion-dollar-markets-for-your.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.thricearoundtheblock.com/2010/02/madeup-billion-dollar-markets-for-your.html</a></p>
<p>Thanks for the common sense wisdom.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 18:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wonder how many startups have the luxury of being able to get a VC to understand and commit to a 5 year &quot;New Market&quot; strategy.  

I think the majority of startups figure out that unless they &quot;get the money&quot; they aren&#039;t going anywhere anyway so they choose fighting it out at subsequent board meetings rather than never getting a second meeting during the fund raising process.

In other words, I suspect most Series A fund raises are &quot;Catch 22&quot; affairs. The exception probably being &quot;gold plated&quot; entrepreneurs with amazing track records and the occasional &quot;Google&quot;-type idea combined with perceived very smart founder types.

Steve, if the company can&#039;t get a VC to back the 5 year plan, would you advise the founders to go Catch 22 or start over with another new market product or an existing market product? (or keep looking?)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder how many startups have the luxury of being able to get a VC to understand and commit to a 5 year &#8220;New Market&#8221; strategy.  </p>
<p>I think the majority of startups figure out that unless they &#8220;get the money&#8221; they aren&#8217;t going anywhere anyway so they choose fighting it out at subsequent board meetings rather than never getting a second meeting during the fund raising process.</p>
<p>In other words, I suspect most Series A fund raises are &#8220;Catch 22&#8243; affairs. The exception probably being &#8220;gold plated&#8221; entrepreneurs with amazing track records and the occasional &#8220;Google&#8221;-type idea combined with perceived very smart founder types.</p>
<p>Steve, if the company can&#8217;t get a VC to back the 5 year plan, would you advise the founders to go Catch 22 or start over with another new market product or an existing market product? (or keep looking?)</p>
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		<title>By: Spreadsheets: not the root of all evil &#171; Blazer&#39;s Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Spreadsheets: not the root of all evil &#171; Blazer&#39;s Blog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 16:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Spreadsheets: not the root of all&#160;evil By Joachim Blazer  Today Steve Blank does some firm spreadsheet bashing in Death By Revenue Plan. [...]]]></description>
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