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	<title>Comments on: Customer Development Manifesto: Market Type (part 4)</title>
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		<title>By: Startup Genome &#124; Help Startup</title>
		<link>http://steveblank.com/2009/09/10/customer-development-manifesto-part-4/#comment-13106</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Startup Genome &#124; Help Startup]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2011 13:21:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] esse último tem a ver com o conceito de Market Type do Steve [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Customer Development and Our Strategy Process &#124; The Borrowed Bicycle</title>
		<link>http://steveblank.com/2009/09/10/customer-development-manifesto-part-4/#comment-9674</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Customer Development and Our Strategy Process &#124; The Borrowed Bicycle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Apr 2011 12:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] One of the important insights in The Four Steps to the Epiphany is the understanding of the magnitude of investment required to enter different types of markets. As an example, we&#8217;ve had success in scaling several products in the realm of monitoring and evaluation and reporting within MoFA. In each case we built a product that was simply better than the existing system. It was easy to scale because our MoFA understood the purpose of our product and the existing alternative it was replacing. AAB on the other hand is a completely new market. While developing farmer-based organizations has always been part of MoFA&#8217;s mandate, in many cases there was little focus on long-term investment outside of the concept of creating groups to access development projects. A program to simply build strong groups for the groups&#8217; sake is a foreign idea, and hence will take a much longer period of investment to see it catch on. When we evaluate the ideas we want to invest in it is important to have a strong understanding of the market type we are entering and hence the resources required to reach scale (in the best scenario). This one warrants it&#8217;s own post as well, or you can check out Steve&#8217;s blog post on market types at http://steveblank.com/2009/09/10/customer-development-manifesto-part-4/. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] One of the important insights in The Four Steps to the Epiphany is the understanding of the magnitude of investment required to enter different types of markets. As an example, we&#8217;ve had success in scaling several products in the realm of monitoring and evaluation and reporting within MoFA. In each case we built a product that was simply better than the existing system. It was easy to scale because our MoFA understood the purpose of our product and the existing alternative it was replacing. AAB on the other hand is a completely new market. While developing farmer-based organizations has always been part of MoFA&#8217;s mandate, in many cases there was little focus on long-term investment outside of the concept of creating groups to access development projects. A program to simply build strong groups for the groups&#8217; sake is a foreign idea, and hence will take a much longer period of investment to see it catch on. When we evaluate the ideas we want to invest in it is important to have a strong understanding of the market type we are entering and hence the resources required to reach scale (in the best scenario). This one warrants it&#8217;s own post as well, or you can check out Steve&#8217;s blog post on market types at <a href="http://steveblank.com/2009/09/10/customer-development-manifesto-part-4/" rel="nofollow">http://steveblank.com/2009/09/10/customer-development-manifesto-part-4/</a>. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Search For the Fountain of Youth – Innovation and Entrepreneurship in the Enterprise</title>
		<link>http://steveblank.com/2009/09/10/customer-development-manifesto-part-4/#comment-8291</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Search For the Fountain of Youth – Innovation and Entrepreneurship in the Enterprise]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Feb 2011 19:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] you’ve read Steve Blank&#8217;s book on Customer Development follow his work on Market Type, this type of innovation is best for adding new products to existing [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Startup Employment Design Patterns &#171; Breaking Glass by Rishi Dean</title>
		<link>http://steveblank.com/2009/09/10/customer-development-manifesto-part-4/#comment-6041</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Startup Employment Design Patterns &#171; Breaking Glass by Rishi Dean]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Oct 2010 18:08:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] of existing technologies, or what Steve Blank &amp; Bob Dorf call a resegmented market. The main approach here is to find an approach that is &#8220;slicker, quicker, or better&#8221; [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://steveblank.com/2009/09/10/customer-development-manifesto-part-4/#comment-5865</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Oct 2010 23:27:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So if it&#039;s an existing market you&#039;re going into, it may seem like you don&#039;t need to spend time interviewing users for customer development, just make a knock off of the market leader and add a few more bells &amp;whistles. Sounds like handspring. Yet handsprings CEO and prod dev team must have had to spend some time with potential customers talking to them to find out what they didn&#039;t like about palm and figure out what they would pay for to have these things in a new product, in an existing market, etc. I&#039;m sure they didn&#039;t just make something and then leave it up to marketing to figure out how the hspring could be positioned differently. Unless the CEO of spring is a unique genius. And maybe those r the only startups that actually survive and succeed]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So if it&#8217;s an existing market you&#8217;re going into, it may seem like you don&#8217;t need to spend time interviewing users for customer development, just make a knock off of the market leader and add a few more bells &amp;whistles. Sounds like handspring. Yet handsprings CEO and prod dev team must have had to spend some time with potential customers talking to them to find out what they didn&#8217;t like about palm and figure out what they would pay for to have these things in a new product, in an existing market, etc. I&#8217;m sure they didn&#8217;t just make something and then leave it up to marketing to figure out how the hspring could be positioned differently. Unless the CEO of spring is a unique genius. And maybe those r the only startups that actually survive and succeed</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; Should you be in an Existing Market? The Experience is the Product &#124; Better product management and products</title>
		<link>http://steveblank.com/2009/09/10/customer-development-manifesto-part-4/#comment-5725</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[&#187; Should you be in an Existing Market? The Experience is the Product &#124; Better product management and products]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Sep 2010 19:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] make-or-break.  I&#8217;m going to point you to Steve Blank&#8217;s Repositioning SuperMac and Market Type posts, but there is a lot more he&#8217;s written about [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Creating new markets isn&#39;t so easy &#124; SocialStartups.com</title>
		<link>http://steveblank.com/2009/09/10/customer-development-manifesto-part-4/#comment-2998</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Creating new markets isn&#39;t so easy &#124; SocialStartups.com]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 15:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Steve Blank so eloquently says, when you are creating a new market, you have no idea how long the flat part of the hockey [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Yves Hiernaux</title>
		<link>http://steveblank.com/2009/09/10/customer-development-manifesto-part-4/#comment-2857</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yves Hiernaux]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 13:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just read your book with great interest and ended up here trying to find a way to identify the market type in which I am.

I have one question remaining open:

As Nivi was just pointing at, do you consider your market as a new market when the technology is disruptive enough to bring behavioral changes ? For example: Excel sheet =&gt; Desktop Software (bringing process automation) =&gt; SaaS (bringing the service layer).

Do you consider SaaS as a re-segmented market or a new market ?

Thank you for your great book.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just read your book with great interest and ended up here trying to find a way to identify the market type in which I am.</p>
<p>I have one question remaining open:</p>
<p>As Nivi was just pointing at, do you consider your market as a new market when the technology is disruptive enough to bring behavioral changes ? For example: Excel sheet =&gt; Desktop Software (bringing process automation) =&gt; SaaS (bringing the service layer).</p>
<p>Do you consider SaaS as a re-segmented market or a new market ?</p>
<p>Thank you for your great book.</p>
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		<title>By: Anoowa, developers of billFLO &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Small Biz Tip: Starting a biz in 10 Steps</title>
		<link>http://steveblank.com/2009/09/10/customer-development-manifesto-part-4/#comment-2821</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anoowa, developers of billFLO &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Small Biz Tip: Starting a biz in 10 Steps]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 15:05:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] What is it that your business is bringing to the market? Are you bigger, faster, cheaper? Knowing this will help you understand how competitors will react and how you can out-fox them! Steve Blank has some good material on this topic [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] What is it that your business is bringing to the market? Are you bigger, faster, cheaper? Knowing this will help you understand how competitors will react and how you can out-fox them! Steve Blank has some good material on this topic [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Squawking Tech &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Why The iPad Will Be A Success, In the Long Term</title>
		<link>http://steveblank.com/2009/09/10/customer-development-manifesto-part-4/#comment-2662</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Squawking Tech &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Why The iPad Will Be A Success, In the Long Term]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 20:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] a new market, which means it will take much longer to reach main stream adoption From Steve Blank (summarized/amended): A new market is one in which you need to create the market to sell your [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Manual da Startup &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Como passar o primeiro desafio das Startups: encontrar a combinação Problema/Solução para o produto - Conceitos e práticas sobre Lean Startups e empreendedorismo em geral</title>
		<link>http://steveblank.com/2009/09/10/customer-development-manifesto-part-4/#comment-2345</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Manual da Startup &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Como passar o primeiro desafio das Startups: encontrar a combinação Problema/Solução para o produto - Conceitos e práticas sobre Lean Startups e empreendedorismo em geral]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 20:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] é o processo de geração de oportunidades de negócio (leads) do seu produto? - Tipo de Mercado (Market Type): O produto se encaixa em um novo mercado (não há nada parecido hoje), em um ambiente competitivo [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Building a Company with Customer Data &#8211; Why Metrics Are Not Enough &#171; Steve Blank</title>
		<link>http://steveblank.com/2009/09/10/customer-development-manifesto-part-4/#comment-2119</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Building a Company with Customer Data &#8211; Why Metrics Are Not Enough &#171; Steve Blank]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:01:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] shoes in order to deduce possible competitors’ moves and anticipate customer needs. In an existing market this is where you ask yourself, “If I were my own competitor and had its resources, what would my [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Nivi</title>
		<link>http://steveblank.com/2009/09/10/customer-development-manifesto-part-4/#comment-1474</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nivi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 03:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Steve,

Your definition of a New Market has always been confusing to me and your previous comment is highlighting my confusion. You say it is &quot;enabling customers to do something they never could before.&quot;

I think a better definition of a New Market is &quot;enabling customers to do an existing job with a new product&quot;.

1. What&#039;s an &quot;existing job&quot;?

Customers want to do a &quot;job&quot;. And Christensen taught us that trying to get customers to embrace new jobs is an &quot;uphill death march through knee-deep mud.&quot; Customers very rarely adopt new jobs. 

Customers have a job of communicating with their kids and they&#039;ve used Facebook, cell phones, land lines, telegrams, and horses to do it. Cell phones didn&#039;t let customers &quot;do something they never could before.&quot; They could always communicate with their kids.

2. What&#039;s a &quot;new product&quot;?

A cell phone was a new product that let customers do an existing job. It wasn&#039;t a better version of an existing product. It wasn&#039;t a cheaper or niche version of an existing product. It was a new product.

Perhaps you can determine whether a product is new by asking customers to name the competition. If they can&#039;t name anything, you&#039;ve got a new product that you can position in a new market (or in non-new market by comparing your product to substitutes (there are no direct competitors in this case)).

What do you think?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve,</p>
<p>Your definition of a New Market has always been confusing to me and your previous comment is highlighting my confusion. You say it is &#8220;enabling customers to do something they never could before.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think a better definition of a New Market is &#8220;enabling customers to do an existing job with a new product&#8221;.</p>
<p>1. What&#8217;s an &#8220;existing job&#8221;?</p>
<p>Customers want to do a &#8220;job&#8221;. And Christensen taught us that trying to get customers to embrace new jobs is an &#8220;uphill death march through knee-deep mud.&#8221; Customers very rarely adopt new jobs. </p>
<p>Customers have a job of communicating with their kids and they&#8217;ve used Facebook, cell phones, land lines, telegrams, and horses to do it. Cell phones didn&#8217;t let customers &#8220;do something they never could before.&#8221; They could always communicate with their kids.</p>
<p>2. What&#8217;s a &#8220;new product&#8221;?</p>
<p>A cell phone was a new product that let customers do an existing job. It wasn&#8217;t a better version of an existing product. It wasn&#8217;t a cheaper or niche version of an existing product. It was a new product.</p>
<p>Perhaps you can determine whether a product is new by asking customers to name the competition. If they can&#8217;t name anything, you&#8217;ve got a new product that you can position in a new market (or in non-new market by comparing your product to substitutes (there are no direct competitors in this case)).</p>
<p>What do you think?</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Levitt</title>
		<link>http://steveblank.com/2009/09/10/customer-development-manifesto-part-4/#comment-1473</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jay Levitt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 00:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s a fun corollary to this: If you&#039;re creating a new market, you WANT competitors, because they&#039;ll share the cost of educating your target market.  If you&#039;re lucky, you can ride in their slipstream and let them do all the work.

In 1989, if we wanted people to join AOL, we had to first explain what a modem was, and bulletin boards, and e-mail. In 1991, it was easier: &quot;You know Prodigy?  Like that, but better&quot;.  What made it so easy? Prodigy spent $50 million on advertising and in-store displays.

Oh, and the really fun part: When you&#039;re in a new market, your competitors may not realize they&#039;re your competitors. For the first few years, one prominent Prodigy advertiser was America Online.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a fun corollary to this: If you&#8217;re creating a new market, you WANT competitors, because they&#8217;ll share the cost of educating your target market.  If you&#8217;re lucky, you can ride in their slipstream and let them do all the work.</p>
<p>In 1989, if we wanted people to join AOL, we had to first explain what a modem was, and bulletin boards, and e-mail. In 1991, it was easier: &#8220;You know Prodigy?  Like that, but better&#8221;.  What made it so easy? Prodigy spent $50 million on advertising and in-store displays.</p>
<p>Oh, and the really fun part: When you&#8217;re in a new market, your competitors may not realize they&#8217;re your competitors. For the first few years, one prominent Prodigy advertiser was America Online.</p>
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		<title>By: steveblank</title>
		<link>http://steveblank.com/2009/09/10/customer-development-manifesto-part-4/#comment-1470</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[steveblank]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 18:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ken,
1. The existing/new distinctions for me have been:
- have customers heard about this market?  can I compare it to existing products along some axis and win?
- do customers understand how they would use/or need this product?  (how long does adoption take - instant or long term education.)
- do I have to &quot;push&quot; the product into the market via education and evangelism?
- or will customers get it and will they &quot;pull&quot; it from me if I position it next to existing suppliers

Sometimes you invent something that is truly new and you have to slog through the adoption process. The mistake I used to make is deciding to position a product as &quot;new&quot; when resegmented made more sense.  (I liked the fact that in New I had no competition.) No one will stop you when you do this, it just means you need a much larger marketing budget than if you are in an existing market or are resegmenting an existing market. It may be better to position as existing or resegmented.  This is all about strategy.

2. What I remind my students is that in Customer Discovery you leave your slide deck at home.  You leave the building (physically or virtually) and are out testing hypotheses - extremely difficult for a passionate entrepreneur.

steve]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken,<br />
1. The existing/new distinctions for me have been:<br />
- have customers heard about this market?  can I compare it to existing products along some axis and win?<br />
- do customers understand how they would use/or need this product?  (how long does adoption take &#8211; instant or long term education.)<br />
- do I have to &#8220;push&#8221; the product into the market via education and evangelism?<br />
- or will customers get it and will they &#8220;pull&#8221; it from me if I position it next to existing suppliers</p>
<p>Sometimes you invent something that is truly new and you have to slog through the adoption process. The mistake I used to make is deciding to position a product as &#8220;new&#8221; when resegmented made more sense.  (I liked the fact that in New I had no competition.) No one will stop you when you do this, it just means you need a much larger marketing budget than if you are in an existing market or are resegmenting an existing market. It may be better to position as existing or resegmented.  This is all about strategy.</p>
<p>2. What I remind my students is that in Customer Discovery you leave your slide deck at home.  You leave the building (physically or virtually) and are out testing hypotheses &#8211; extremely difficult for a passionate entrepreneur.</p>
<p>steve</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Chow</title>
		<link>http://steveblank.com/2009/09/10/customer-development-manifesto-part-4/#comment-1466</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ken Chow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 16:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Steve,

Thanks for these posts; they are really helping me in getting our CEO to understand the importance of getting outside the building.

A couple of quick questions:

1.) It seems that sometimes an existing market undergoes a change so discontinuous that it is almost a &quot;new market&quot; exercise (the WalkMan was here well before the iPod, for instance). Is there some defining factor that easily distinguishes the difference?

2.) When talking to prospective customers during customer development, what methods do you recommend for not biasing their responses through your queries? I think a lot of entrepreneurs speak with such enthusiasm about thier own ideas that they may inadvertently illicit invalid responses.

Thanks!

KC]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve,</p>
<p>Thanks for these posts; they are really helping me in getting our CEO to understand the importance of getting outside the building.</p>
<p>A couple of quick questions:</p>
<p>1.) It seems that sometimes an existing market undergoes a change so discontinuous that it is almost a &#8220;new market&#8221; exercise (the WalkMan was here well before the iPod, for instance). Is there some defining factor that easily distinguishes the difference?</p>
<p>2.) When talking to prospective customers during customer development, what methods do you recommend for not biasing their responses through your queries? I think a lot of entrepreneurs speak with such enthusiasm about thier own ideas that they may inadvertently illicit invalid responses.</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
<p>KC</p>
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