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		<title>By: 4 Anti-Lean Startup Archetypes at Market By Numbers</title>
		<link>http://steveblank.com/2009/07/30/hes-only-in-field-service/#comment-1278</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[4 Anti-Lean Startup Archetypes at Market By Numbers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 18:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Steve Blank&#8217;s market type discussions to learn when a big megaphone might be the right [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Steve Blank&#8217;s market type discussions to learn when a big megaphone might be the right [...]</p>
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		<title>By: fijiaaron</title>
		<link>http://steveblank.com/2009/07/30/hes-only-in-field-service/#comment-1269</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 19:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It would seem to me that most startups would *think* they&#039;re in a new market (hence the desire to startup), but I&#039;d also place the iPod/iPhone into an existing market -- whether that market is &quot;MP3 player/smart phone&quot; or &quot;Apple fan&quot; is a different question.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would seem to me that most startups would *think* they&#8217;re in a new market (hence the desire to startup), but I&#8217;d also place the iPod/iPhone into an existing market &#8212; whether that market is &#8220;MP3 player/smart phone&#8221; or &#8220;Apple fan&#8221; is a different question.</p>
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		<title>By: Terence Pua</title>
		<link>http://steveblank.com/2009/07/30/hes-only-in-field-service/#comment-1255</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Terence Pua]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 07:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You need email reply notifications :) Yes, got it. Thanks you for taking the time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You need email reply notifications <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Yes, got it. Thanks you for taking the time.</p>
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		<title>By: steveblank</title>
		<link>http://steveblank.com/2009/07/30/hes-only-in-field-service/#comment-1251</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[steveblank]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 20:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Terence,
Don&#039;t get too hung up the difference.  The notion of &quot;Market Type&quot; is there so startups have a metric of when to spend marketing and sales dollars.  

It&#039;s easy if you&#039;re in an Existing market - customers know there&#039;s a market, customers can tell you what the basis of competition is, and you have a product better than incumbents on the metrics customers say is important. In this case you spend every sales and marketing dollar you can get your hands on to take market share.

The problem is that every startup instinctually acts like they&#039;re in an Existing Market.  They prematurely scale sales and marketing spending before a market may even exist.  Therefore the first step is to figure out whether customers know about the need for a product like yours - is there a market.  And if not, can you position your product so it addresses a niche of an existing market (resgmenting) or do you have to create a market by yourself (New.)

Does this help?

steve]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terence,<br />
Don&#8217;t get too hung up the difference.  The notion of &#8220;Market Type&#8221; is there so startups have a metric of when to spend marketing and sales dollars.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s easy if you&#8217;re in an Existing market &#8211; customers know there&#8217;s a market, customers can tell you what the basis of competition is, and you have a product better than incumbents on the metrics customers say is important. In this case you spend every sales and marketing dollar you can get your hands on to take market share.</p>
<p>The problem is that every startup instinctually acts like they&#8217;re in an Existing Market.  They prematurely scale sales and marketing spending before a market may even exist.  Therefore the first step is to figure out whether customers know about the need for a product like yours &#8211; is there a market.  And if not, can you position your product so it addresses a niche of an existing market (resgmenting) or do you have to create a market by yourself (New.)</p>
<p>Does this help?</p>
<p>steve</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Cohen</title>
		<link>http://steveblank.com/2009/07/30/hes-only-in-field-service/#comment-1250</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jason Cohen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 18:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To pile on, it&#039;s also important that it&#039;s *in person* and not only over email or the phone.

People will talk about things in person that they&#039;ll never come up with, not on Uservoice or GetSatisfaction, not even if you schedule a conference call just to get their feedback.

I would be walking the cubical halls and someone would poke their head out: &quot;Hey you&#039;re the Smart Bear guys!&quot;  &quot;Yeah?&quot;  &quot;I&#039;ve been meaning to ask you something....&quot;  This guy would never have picked up the phone.

As another example, I could see which magazines are on people desks, and that tells me where to advertise.

I can make similar comments about watching people use your product.

There&#039;s certainly nothing wrong with gathering feedback any time you can, and travel expenses are rough right now so you make do.

But there&#039;s nothing like in-person interaction to find out what your startup/product/messaging REALLY should be.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To pile on, it&#8217;s also important that it&#8217;s *in person* and not only over email or the phone.</p>
<p>People will talk about things in person that they&#8217;ll never come up with, not on Uservoice or GetSatisfaction, not even if you schedule a conference call just to get their feedback.</p>
<p>I would be walking the cubical halls and someone would poke their head out: &#8220;Hey you&#8217;re the Smart Bear guys!&#8221;  &#8220;Yeah?&#8221;  &#8220;I&#8217;ve been meaning to ask you something&#8230;.&#8221;  This guy would never have picked up the phone.</p>
<p>As another example, I could see which magazines are on people desks, and that tells me where to advertise.</p>
<p>I can make similar comments about watching people use your product.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s certainly nothing wrong with gathering feedback any time you can, and travel expenses are rough right now so you make do.</p>
<p>But there&#8217;s nothing like in-person interaction to find out what your startup/product/messaging REALLY should be.</p>
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		<title>By: Terence Pua</title>
		<link>http://steveblank.com/2009/07/30/hes-only-in-field-service/#comment-1247</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Terence Pua]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 17:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you very much. Market types seem more nuanced than I originally thought.

I&#039;m still wandering between resegmented niche and new market for my startup.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you very much. Market types seem more nuanced than I originally thought.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still wandering between resegmented niche and new market for my startup.</p>
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		<title>By: steveblank</title>
		<link>http://steveblank.com/2009/07/30/hes-only-in-field-service/#comment-1246</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[steveblank]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 16:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Terence,
Let start with the iPod first because it&#039;s an easier example.  

Other vendors had hardware devices to play music, but only Apple realized that it was the entire ecosystem - getting the labels signed up, having an easy to use on-line store to seamlessly download, the notion of syncing music from your computer, and then finally the hardware.  Apple created a New Market which wasn&#039;t about you buying another hardware device and figuring out how to rip and burn yourself.  The point about the Market Type is that there were no users or vendors who were doing this.  There was no market for doing this.  It was something completely foreign and new.  Users had to learn about iTunes and its relationship (and value) to the iPod.  Apple&#039;s marketing at first was about educating you about the ecosystem of doing something &lt;em&gt;new.&lt;/em&gt;

Fast forward to today. Today the iPod market is an Existing Market.  Users understand the ecosystem.  Demand creation for subsequent iPods can be about the features not about the new idea of iTunes+sync+iPod.

The iPhone had the same story. Hardware device, sync, store.  Lots of other vendors made hardware sort of like it, but when they opened up the App Store they created an entirely new device. For the first time a handset vendor is calling the shots at the carrier.

hope this helps,

steve]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terence,<br />
Let start with the iPod first because it&#8217;s an easier example.  </p>
<p>Other vendors had hardware devices to play music, but only Apple realized that it was the entire ecosystem &#8211; getting the labels signed up, having an easy to use on-line store to seamlessly download, the notion of syncing music from your computer, and then finally the hardware.  Apple created a New Market which wasn&#8217;t about you buying another hardware device and figuring out how to rip and burn yourself.  The point about the Market Type is that there were no users or vendors who were doing this.  There was no market for doing this.  It was something completely foreign and new.  Users had to learn about iTunes and its relationship (and value) to the iPod.  Apple&#8217;s marketing at first was about educating you about the ecosystem of doing something <em>new.</em></p>
<p>Fast forward to today. Today the iPod market is an Existing Market.  Users understand the ecosystem.  Demand creation for subsequent iPods can be about the features not about the new idea of iTunes+sync+iPod.</p>
<p>The iPhone had the same story. Hardware device, sync, store.  Lots of other vendors made hardware sort of like it, but when they opened up the App Store they created an entirely new device. For the first time a handset vendor is calling the shots at the carrier.</p>
<p>hope this helps,</p>
<p>steve</p>
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		<title>By: Terence Pua</title>
		<link>http://steveblank.com/2009/07/30/hes-only-in-field-service/#comment-1245</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Terence Pua]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 16:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Steve, I&#039;ve read and re-read that section in Chapter 2 re: market types and I still don&#039;t fully comprehend.

I would consider the iPhone a resegmented market as there were already smartphones. Ditto with iPod with mp3 players (but with iTunes).

I hope I&#039;m not splitting hairs :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, I&#8217;ve read and re-read that section in Chapter 2 re: market types and I still don&#8217;t fully comprehend.</p>
<p>I would consider the iPhone a resegmented market as there were already smartphones. Ditto with iPod with mp3 players (but with iTunes).</p>
<p>I hope I&#8217;m not splitting hairs <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Prakash S</title>
		<link>http://steveblank.com/2009/07/30/hes-only-in-field-service/#comment-1244</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Prakash S]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 13:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A customer of mine, now a friend, used to wear multiple hats in his company, and in tech/vendor meetings, he would present his business card that would say &quot;Editor&quot;. Whenever he did that most vendors would ignore him in the meeting. Little did they know, that he was also the CTO and the person responsible for making all tech decisions :-)

Folklore has some interesting stories about Burrell Smith (http://bit.ly/joRaK). Here&#039;s the quote from that page: &quot;Burrell Smith&#039;s brilliant digital board provided the seed that the rest of the team coalesced around. Its Woz-inspired creativity set the tone for the rest of the project.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A customer of mine, now a friend, used to wear multiple hats in his company, and in tech/vendor meetings, he would present his business card that would say &#8220;Editor&#8221;. Whenever he did that most vendors would ignore him in the meeting. Little did they know, that he was also the CTO and the person responsible for making all tech decisions <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Folklore has some interesting stories about Burrell Smith (<a href="http://bit.ly/joRaK" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/joRaK</a>). Here&#8217;s the quote from that page: &#8220;Burrell Smith&#8217;s brilliant digital board provided the seed that the rest of the team coalesced around. Its Woz-inspired creativity set the tone for the rest of the project.&#8221;</p>
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