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		<title>By: Are You a Good Student? &#171; &#34;Weston&#039;s Blog&#34;</title>
		<link>http://steveblank.com/2009/04/07/the-good-student/#comment-11418</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Are You a Good Student? &#171; &#34;Weston&#039;s Blog&#34;]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jun 2011 05:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] http://steveblank.com/2009/04/07/the-good-student/ I saw an article in the New York Times about Google’s hiring practices that reminded me of the differences between great big successful technology companies and small scrappy startups. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] <a href="http://steveblank.com/2009/04/07/the-good-student/" rel="nofollow">http://steveblank.com/2009/04/07/the-good-student/</a> I saw an article in the New York Times about Google’s hiring practices that reminded me of the differences between great big successful technology companies and small scrappy startups. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Great grades and successful founders/technology entrepreneurs have at best a zero correlation. &#124; Midas Oracle .NET</title>
		<link>http://steveblank.com/2009/04/07/the-good-student/#comment-1391</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Great grades and successful founders/technology entrepreneurs have at best a zero correlation. &#124; Midas Oracle .NET]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 06:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Great grades and successful founders/technology entrepreneurs have at best a zero correlation.   Written by Chris F. Masse on August 31, 2009 &#8212; Leave a Comment     &#8220;There’s a big difference between being an employee at a great technology company and having... [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Great grades and successful founders/technology entrepreneurs have at best a zero correlation.   Written by Chris F. Masse on August 31, 2009 &mdash; Leave a Comment     &#8220;There’s a big difference between being an employee at a great technology company and having&#8230; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: SKMurphy &#187; Quotes for Entrepreneurs - April 2009</title>
		<link>http://steveblank.com/2009/04/07/the-good-student/#comment-272</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 06:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] &#8220;Customers don’t ask for your transcript: no grades for resiliency, curiosity, agility, resourcefulness, pattern recognition, and tenacity.&#8221; Steve Blank [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8220;Customers don’t ask for your transcript: no grades for resiliency, curiosity, agility, resourcefulness, pattern recognition, and tenacity.&#8221; Steve Blank [...]</p>
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		<title>By: What Big Successful Universities Could stand to Learn</title>
		<link>http://steveblank.com/2009/04/07/the-good-student/#comment-175</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[What Big Successful Universities Could stand to Learn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 02:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] (anti) correlation between good grades in school and success in entrepreneurship.  He remarks in The &#8220;Good&#8221; Student something I&#8217;ve been curious about for a while too: Google&#8217;s Hiring Practices.  Talking [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] (anti) correlation between good grades in school and success in entrepreneurship.  He remarks in The &#8220;Good&#8221; Student something I&#8217;ve been curious about for a while too: Google&#8217;s Hiring Practices.  Talking [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rian</title>
		<link>http://steveblank.com/2009/04/07/the-good-student/#comment-109</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 14:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;She shouldn’t reject him for getting C in macroeconomics. She should reject him for putting his macroeconomics grade on his resume.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Google requires transcripts for new grads. (And even not-so-new engineers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>She shouldn’t reject him for getting C in macroeconomics. She should reject him for putting his macroeconomics grade on his resume.</p></blockquote>
<p>Google requires transcripts for new grads. (And even not-so-new engineers.</p>
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		<title>By: Harvey</title>
		<link>http://steveblank.com/2009/04/07/the-good-student/#comment-105</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 02:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some of the best engineers I hired out of school were not 3.5+ GPA or better.  HR would rarely even circulate less than a 3.2 and the cutoff was 3.0.  When recruiting was hard the functional managers started looking at 2.8-9s.  The advantages this group has is that they have encountered adversity and had to overcome it instead of sailing on through as 4.0 level students.  These lower GPA students learned how to &quot;climb back onto the horse&quot;, how to be tenacious, how to look from different multiple angles, ....  When the circuit doesn&#039;t work and nobody can say why, that tenacity to attack again and again until it DOES work is what these candidates bring that is valuable, they have learned through and of &quot;failure&quot;.  Besides, if your circuit always works the first time, how do you learn to trouble shoot?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of the best engineers I hired out of school were not 3.5+ GPA or better.  HR would rarely even circulate less than a 3.2 and the cutoff was 3.0.  When recruiting was hard the functional managers started looking at 2.8-9s.  The advantages this group has is that they have encountered adversity and had to overcome it instead of sailing on through as 4.0 level students.  These lower GPA students learned how to &#8220;climb back onto the horse&#8221;, how to be tenacious, how to look from different multiple angles, &#8230;.  When the circuit doesn&#8217;t work and nobody can say why, that tenacity to attack again and again until it DOES work is what these candidates bring that is valuable, they have learned through and of &#8220;failure&#8221;.  Besides, if your circuit always works the first time, how do you learn to trouble shoot?</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle S</title>
		<link>http://steveblank.com/2009/04/07/the-good-student/#comment-103</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Uncle S]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 22:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[After gutting it out through my last term of business classes while starting my business, I pretty much came to the same conclusion, but not as succinctly.

I&#039;m printing and framing this one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After gutting it out through my last term of business classes while starting my business, I pretty much came to the same conclusion, but not as succinctly.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m printing and framing this one.</p>
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		<title>By: Hany</title>
		<link>http://steveblank.com/2009/04/07/the-good-student/#comment-87</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hany]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 07:43:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[She shouldn&#039;t reject him for getting C in macroeconomics. She should reject him for putting his macroeconomics grade on his resume.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She shouldn&#8217;t reject him for getting C in macroeconomics. She should reject him for putting his macroeconomics grade on his resume.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin C</title>
		<link>http://steveblank.com/2009/04/07/the-good-student/#comment-85</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin C]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 00:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This reminds me of this article about top students not doing well in the dating scene: 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-alex-benzer/why-the-smartest-people-h_b_169939.html

Apparently academic success doesn&#039;t lead to &quot;sales success&quot; in the dating world.   So &quot;good students aren&#039;t good at all things.&quot;  Maybe they&#039;re just good at all things that are easily measured. 

Do the C students get the girl and get to own the company?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This reminds me of this article about top students not doing well in the dating scene: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-alex-benzer/why-the-smartest-people-h_b_169939.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-alex-benzer/why-the-smartest-people-h_b_169939.html</a></p>
<p>Apparently academic success doesn&#8217;t lead to &#8220;sales success&#8221; in the dating world.   So &#8220;good students aren&#8217;t good at all things.&#8221;  Maybe they&#8217;re just good at all things that are easily measured. </p>
<p>Do the C students get the girl and get to own the company?</p>
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		<title>By: Hal O'Brien</title>
		<link>http://steveblank.com/2009/04/07/the-good-student/#comment-83</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hal O'Brien]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 00:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Steve, one of the problems in your sample is what&#039;s called survivorship bias.  That is, how many people dropped out of college, started a company, and then failed anyway?  There&#039;s no question the three examples you give were successful -- but how many tried to emulate them, and failed?

If one looks at the total pool of college vs non-college people, and what each group&#039;s career trajectories look like in the aggregate, I think Google&#039;s position is more justifiable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, one of the problems in your sample is what&#8217;s called survivorship bias.  That is, how many people dropped out of college, started a company, and then failed anyway?  There&#8217;s no question the three examples you give were successful &#8212; but how many tried to emulate them, and failed?</p>
<p>If one looks at the total pool of college vs non-college people, and what each group&#8217;s career trajectories look like in the aggregate, I think Google&#8217;s position is more justifiable.</p>
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		<title>By: Luke G</title>
		<link>http://steveblank.com/2009/04/07/the-good-student/#comment-82</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Luke G]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 18:39:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[On the inanity of wanting to choose between working at Google and starting your own company: as you said, Steve, if that&#039;s your dilemma, go work at Google.

The two options are like the Jets and the Sharks from Westside story. Sure, you might fall for your enemy&#039;s girl (or at least snap at her), but you don&#039;t choose to be one or the other. In most cases, at that point you just *are.*]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the inanity of wanting to choose between working at Google and starting your own company: as you said, Steve, if that&#8217;s your dilemma, go work at Google.</p>
<p>The two options are like the Jets and the Sharks from Westside story. Sure, you might fall for your enemy&#8217;s girl (or at least snap at her), but you don&#8217;t choose to be one or the other. In most cases, at that point you just *are.*</p>
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		<title>By: James Siminoff</title>
		<link>http://steveblank.com/2009/04/07/the-good-student/#comment-81</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James Siminoff]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 11:27:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Steve,

Agree 100%.  Blogged the exact quote when it was published in Feb.  Google&#039;s attitude is ensuring that they will become the next Microsoft, the good news is that will open up a lot of opportunity for entrepreneurs like me.

Jamie]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve,</p>
<p>Agree 100%.  Blogged the exact quote when it was published in Feb.  Google&#8217;s attitude is ensuring that they will become the next Microsoft, the good news is that will open up a lot of opportunity for entrepreneurs like me.</p>
<p>Jamie</p>
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		<title>By: Good Employees and Successful Entrepreneurs &#187; Lone Gunman</title>
		<link>http://steveblank.com/2009/04/07/the-good-student/#comment-80</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Good Employees and Successful Entrepreneurs &#187; Lone Gunman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 10:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] serial entrepreneur Steve Blank says that aspiring entrepreneurs who don&#8217;t meet these standards shouldn&#8217;t be put off: What I remind [my students] is that great grades and successful founders / technology [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Quote of the Day &#124; Bronte Media</title>
		<link>http://steveblank.com/2009/04/07/the-good-student/#comment-79</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Quote of the Day &#124; Bronte Media]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 02:28:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Maurice Karnaugh</title>
		<link>http://steveblank.com/2009/04/07/the-good-student/#comment-78</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Maurice Karnaugh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 01:57:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It seems to me that the most creative and motivated students will get excellent grades in subjects that interest them but sometimes mediocre grades in other subjects.  Sometimes they just drop out and do their own thing.  No one has to tell them to do that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me that the most creative and motivated students will get excellent grades in subjects that interest them but sometimes mediocre grades in other subjects.  Sometimes they just drop out and do their own thing.  No one has to tell them to do that.</p>
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		<title>By: Dylan</title>
		<link>http://steveblank.com/2009/04/07/the-good-student/#comment-73</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dylan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 00:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[C in macroeconomics though?  I mean, that is pretty pathetic.  Heck, I would be suspicious of a B in that course.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>C in macroeconomics though?  I mean, that is pretty pathetic.  Heck, I would be suspicious of a B in that course.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael F. Martin</title>
		<link>http://steveblank.com/2009/04/07/the-good-student/#comment-71</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael F. Martin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 22:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Of course, the other way to look at this is that formal education should become more like working at a startup if we want students to stay engaged.  People like Ken Robinson have been pushing that for a long time and I think it&#039;s true.  Academic environments can be too sterile to engage some otherwise very smart people.  If we want more creative students, then we should make an educational system that rewards creativity.

A hidden corollary to this, I think, is that enjoying work doesn&#039;t necessarily mean doing work that you enjoy.  What I mean is that following &quot;your passion&quot; often leads down a blind alley, whereas picking a really big goal and then doing whatever it takes to achieve that goal (including many things that you are decidely not passionate about) ends up being enjoyable.  I like what Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi says about work in this regard.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, the other way to look at this is that formal education should become more like working at a startup if we want students to stay engaged.  People like Ken Robinson have been pushing that for a long time and I think it&#8217;s true.  Academic environments can be too sterile to engage some otherwise very smart people.  If we want more creative students, then we should make an educational system that rewards creativity.</p>
<p>A hidden corollary to this, I think, is that enjoying work doesn&#8217;t necessarily mean doing work that you enjoy.  What I mean is that following &#8220;your passion&#8221; often leads down a blind alley, whereas picking a really big goal and then doing whatever it takes to achieve that goal (including many things that you are decidely not passionate about) ends up being enjoyable.  I like what Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi says about work in this regard.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
		<link>http://steveblank.com/2009/04/07/the-good-student/#comment-69</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anthony]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 20:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;One candidate got a C in macroeconomics...That&#039;s troubling to me. Good students are good at all things.&quot;

Actually, this statement is troubling to me. Its tone, diction, thought process, and vapidity reek of an unexceptional individual who excels at getting good grades, but is mediocre at all other things.

Of course, I wouldn&#039;t want to make a comprehensive assessment of character or ability based on a single data point.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;One candidate got a C in macroeconomics&#8230;That&#8217;s troubling to me. Good students are good at all things.&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually, this statement is troubling to me. Its tone, diction, thought process, and vapidity reek of an unexceptional individual who excels at getting good grades, but is mediocre at all other things.</p>
<p>Of course, I wouldn&#8217;t want to make a comprehensive assessment of character or ability based on a single data point.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Maher</title>
		<link>http://steveblank.com/2009/04/07/the-good-student/#comment-68</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Josh Maher]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 19:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[....and these three guys spent more time working with their subject matter than any &#039;A&#039; student ever would have... Which is where the difference really comes in if you are trying to compare their expertise or capabilities with the subject matter. 

I&#039;m sure Bill Gates would have been a great employee at Google, his 20% time would create some amazing products. If he wasn&#039;t presented with the opportunity to create Microsoft, this might have been a great option for him. 

The great entrepreneurs are not necessarily &#039;A&#039; students, nor are they serial entrepreneurs - they are people passionate about a subject matter and an idea - so passionate that they want to spend their whole life working on it (it&#039;s the spending their whole life working on it that prevents them from getting the &#039;A&#039; in every other subject, it also prevents them from being serial entrepreneurs).

Serial entrepreneurs are another story - they live their lives interupted by a smattering of ideas - starting/exiting companies, starting/quiting jobs, starting/stopping studying hard enough to get good grades, etc

The &#039;A&#039; students on the other hand, are the students who have a desire to work within the bounds of the system (or know how to work around the system) - either way, they value the system for some reason and are working towards ordering their lives around it. This usually means that these people (the &#039;A&#039; students) are good for any company who needs someone to interact with the system of society (any system that human culture has created), this is obviously valuable to and can bleed into the entrepreneureal side of things... for example businesses that are built around government contracts (like blackwater)... they have spent their lives working the system and can build a business to take advantage of it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;.and these three guys spent more time working with their subject matter than any &#8216;A&#8217; student ever would have&#8230; Which is where the difference really comes in if you are trying to compare their expertise or capabilities with the subject matter. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure Bill Gates would have been a great employee at Google, his 20% time would create some amazing products. If he wasn&#8217;t presented with the opportunity to create Microsoft, this might have been a great option for him. </p>
<p>The great entrepreneurs are not necessarily &#8216;A&#8217; students, nor are they serial entrepreneurs &#8211; they are people passionate about a subject matter and an idea &#8211; so passionate that they want to spend their whole life working on it (it&#8217;s the spending their whole life working on it that prevents them from getting the &#8216;A&#8217; in every other subject, it also prevents them from being serial entrepreneurs).</p>
<p>Serial entrepreneurs are another story &#8211; they live their lives interupted by a smattering of ideas &#8211; starting/exiting companies, starting/quiting jobs, starting/stopping studying hard enough to get good grades, etc</p>
<p>The &#8216;A&#8217; students on the other hand, are the students who have a desire to work within the bounds of the system (or know how to work around the system) &#8211; either way, they value the system for some reason and are working towards ordering their lives around it. This usually means that these people (the &#8216;A&#8217; students) are good for any company who needs someone to interact with the system of society (any system that human culture has created), this is obviously valuable to and can bleed into the entrepreneureal side of things&#8230; for example businesses that are built around government contracts (like blackwater)&#8230; they have spent their lives working the system and can build a business to take advantage of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
		<link>http://steveblank.com/2009/04/07/the-good-student/#comment-67</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 19:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Add Evan Williams of Blogger, Odeo and Twitter.com]]></description>
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